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>> i contends the fiscal cliff will come to an agreement. it will be temporary in nature, kind of a year type of plan. i think the market has digested a bit that tax rates will go up. it's just a matter of how much spending are we going to cut to make this a market between the democrats and republicans. >> does monetary policy hurt or help the banks? keeping rates as low as they are, it's tough to make a buck the traditional way of lending and spending, right? >> i'm going to be a two-armed economist because i can't said on the other hand. there's two things that are very important. first of all, credit in commercial real estate is phenomenal. cap rates are really low. so the fact that rates are as low as they are has allowed commercial real estate not to fall into the abyss. if commercial real estate had to refi at high rates, we would have had another problem. the other problem is the fact margins are getting squeezed at these banks. credit quality is better. >> that's where the money comes from. >> yeah, fees. by the way, you can eat thes
>> i contends the fiscal cliff will come to an agreement. it will be temporary in nature, kind of a year type of plan. i think the market has digested a bit that tax rates will go up. it's just a matter of how much spending are we going to cut to make this a market between the democrats and republicans. >> does monetary policy hurt or help the banks? keeping rates as low as they are, it's tough to make a buck the traditional way of lending and spending, right? >> i'm going to...
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to the fiscal cliff. but tim geithner just told cnbc that we're going to go over the cliff unless tax rates go up. at the same time, two dozen republican house members signed a bipartisan letter with democrats defecting from the boehner plan. in the meantime, a nice game for the day for the dow, but a stunning selloff for apple. do you know what? fiscal cliff or not, the s&p 500 is up 12% year to date. that is a handsome gain for investors, an optimistic year, believe it or not. and we already bailed out detroit's auto industry. but now, at least one motown politician is telling president obama he should bail out detroit bankrupt city government, too. this sure isn't the free market, and i asked why should a texas taxpayer bail out detroit? >>> breaking news from syria, and it is a blockbuster. the assad regime is walking and loading its chemical weapons, ready to use them on its own people. nbc's chief pentagon correspondent joins us now. jim, is this the red line president obama was warning about? >> we
to the fiscal cliff. but tim geithner just told cnbc that we're going to go over the cliff unless tax rates go up. at the same time, two dozen republican house members signed a bipartisan letter with democrats defecting from the boehner plan. in the meantime, a nice game for the day for the dow, but a stunning selloff for apple. do you know what? fiscal cliff or not, the s&p 500 is up 12% year to date. that is a handsome gain for investors, an optimistic year, believe it or not. and we...
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hopefully that momentum will continue not just on the fiscal cliff in the coming weeks but issues like the start-up act 2.0 in the coming months. >> gentlemen, look good. steve and scott, come back and let us know how it went in cowboy stadium. >>> google plans to start charging small businesses for its free services like e-mail and google docs. will consumers like you be next? >>> and from 50 stradz of grshaf gray to 5,000 shades of green. employees at random house getting a big stocking stuffer this season. we'll explain. ears, ameriprise financial has worked for their clients' futures. helping millions of americans retire on their terms. when they want. where they want. doing what they want. ameriprise. the strength of a leader in retirement planning. the heart of 10,000 advisors working with you one-to-one. together for your future. ♪ >>> stock of the day and certainly the stock of the week has been apple. its worst week in two years, down now $15 a share today at $531.64. about $50 billion in market value sliced off of apple this week alone. >>> time for the power rundown. with
hopefully that momentum will continue not just on the fiscal cliff in the coming weeks but issues like the start-up act 2.0 in the coming months. >> gentlemen, look good. steve and scott, come back and let us know how it went in cowboy stadium. >>> google plans to start charging small businesses for its free services like e-mail and google docs. will consumers like you be next? >>> and from 50 stradz of grshaf gray to 5,000 shades of green. employees at random house...
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i don't want to only talk about the fiscal cliff when nothing we're doing is coming close to deal with these issues. melissa: we talk about how hard it is to simplify the tax code. our guest before you guys said the same thing. it could be really simple. we could put out three rates for people with absolutely no deductions exceptions. if you're in this group you pay 35% or whatever. make up your number. >> right. melissa: if you're in this group pay 30, and this group pay 25. no exceptions, no deductions that would be one page tax code. whats wro with that, michael. >> because we live in a complex country with complex countr you don't want people, somebody with $50,000 of emergency medicalxpenses exactly the same as somebody who doesn't have those things? you want to tree somebody, the fact of the matter is you want to lance between simplicity and targeting. you want to balance between fairness and revenue. you need to make these - melissa: who dids decides what is fair? get out there and we pick nners and losers we say who's problem is worth taxpayer dollars and who's problem is not t
i don't want to only talk about the fiscal cliff when nothing we're doing is coming close to deal with these issues. melissa: we talk about how hard it is to simplify the tax code. our guest before you guys said the same thing. it could be really simple. we could put out three rates for people with absolutely no deductions exceptions. if you're in this group you pay 35% or whatever. make up your number. >> right. melissa: if you're in this group pay 30, and this group pay 25. no...
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cliff negotiations to happen. ten day falls 5%. that's incredibly low. just be warned. if something really big comes out, we are going to take off one way or the other like a rocket ship. we are like a jack in the box right now. we are on pens and needles. david: wound up, but can go up or down depending what happens. within the hour, we'll hear more from john boehner and the president who will be meeting. we are on-site there and let you know what happens. thank you, mark, good to see you. liz: thank you, mark. adobe halted following a positive fourth quarter earnings release. nicole, gauge where it goes when it trades. >> liz, this is going to be a great one to watch today after hours, tomorrow in trading. they came out with numbers, blow through the headlines, and it's great overall. earnings per share, 61 cents beating the estimates of 57 cents. revenue, 1.15 billion, and that also exceeds analysts' estimates. the fiscal year 2012, this is record revenue for adobe. not only see quarterly profit rise, but what
cliff negotiations to happen. ten day falls 5%. that's incredibly low. just be warned. if something really big comes out, we are going to take off one way or the other like a rocket ship. we are like a jack in the box right now. we are on pens and needles. david: wound up, but can go up or down depending what happens. within the hour, we'll hear more from john boehner and the president who will be meeting. we are on-site there and let you know what happens. thank you, mark, good to see you....
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he says it will bring you profits beyond the fiscal cliff. dave: an exciting our coming up. we will tell you what drove the markets today with today's data download. of next week on wall street following better than expected november jobs report. the dow and s&p ending prior to eke out weekly gains, the nasdaq closed in the red ending down 1% a lot of that because of what happened to apple. financial and industrial for this week's top performing sectors while materials and technology lad a bit. the u.s. economy added 146,000 jobs in november as the unemployment rate dropped to four year low of 7.7%. today's report may not be as strong as it seemed, reporting employers added 49,000 fewer jobs in september and october than initially estimated. a preliminary reading showing consumer confidence plunging to its lowest level in four months. early december americans prepare for a potentially higher taxes at the beginning of next year. the index dropping 74.5 this month, far below november's reading of 82.7 and economists forecasts of 82.4. >> in the pits of the cme, michael tells u
he says it will bring you profits beyond the fiscal cliff. dave: an exciting our coming up. we will tell you what drove the markets today with today's data download. of next week on wall street following better than expected november jobs report. the dow and s&p ending prior to eke out weekly gains, the nasdaq closed in the red ending down 1% a lot of that because of what happened to apple. financial and industrial for this week's top performing sectors while materials and technology lad a...
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but i would say that the fiscal cliff discussions are definitely not helping. i think consumers see the implications of tax reduction, for example, coming off -- lou: what would that do to the market if it were to be implemented? >> well, i think it'll definitely hurt the market, and i think i would not recommend doing that at this stage of recovery. lou: somehow i thought that would be your answer, as it would be for most homeowners who have gotten used to that deduction. >> sure. lou: sanjiv, great to have you. >> my pleasure. lou: sony's "skyfall" retained the top spot. the james bond movie took in another 11 million lifting its domestic total to more than 261 million worldwide. "skyfall" has brought in more than $900 million so far, that makes it sony's highest-grossing film in history. the film, by the way, will open in china early next year which should boost those numbers, i would guess, a little. the movie "rise of the guardians," it was second with $10.5 million in sales. a really quiet weekend. twilight's breaking dawn part 2 taking third place, it br
but i would say that the fiscal cliff discussions are definitely not helping. i think consumers see the implications of tax reduction, for example, coming off -- lou: what would that do to the market if it were to be implemented? >> well, i think it'll definitely hurt the market, and i think i would not recommend doing that at this stage of recovery. lou: somehow i thought that would be your answer, as it would be for most homeowners who have gotten used to that deduction. >> sure....
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when it comes to the fiscal cliff that is turning our economy and jobs, the white hhuse is wasted another week. gerri: what do y say? we wasted another week. we seem to be getting nowhere, and now folks are saying the president is trying to entice us of the fiscal cliff. >> look, i think they're actuly some pretty strong incentives for the president to take the country over the fiscal cliff. if you lo at what the president's stance to gain if the country goes over the fiscal cliff, here are very clear and identifiable things. on the one hand the president could idenfy himself as a tax cutter. he could say -- on january 1st the president in terms of the country and say, now in favor of cutting these taxes that have been raised because we did not solve this before the fiscal cliff. he can turn and say to my want to restore some of this funding that my secretary ofefense and joint chiefs of staff told me i need to restore and can position himself as sort of the protector of u.s. national security. so there are som clear incentives to the president to lead the country over the fiscal cliff. d
when it comes to the fiscal cliff that is turning our economy and jobs, the white hhuse is wasted another week. gerri: what do y say? we wasted another week. we seem to be getting nowhere, and now folks are saying the president is trying to entice us of the fiscal cliff. >> look, i think they're actuly some pretty strong incentives for the president to take the country over the fiscal cliff. if you lo at what the president's stance to gain if the country goes over the fiscal cliff, here...
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when it comes to actually going over the fiscal cliff if folks in washington can't get their act together? >> i come from a part of south carolina which has been economically challenged for a long time and remains so. certain parts of south carolina have developed pretty strongly, but the part where i come from, mostly agricultural, a little manufacturing have high unemployment rate, high foreclosure rate and people are having a hard time. i visited very few times since i became chairman. part of the reason we are engaging in these policies is to try to create a stronger economy, more jobs so that folks across the country including places like the one where i grew up, will have more opportunity to have a better life for themselves. that is extremely important and it is very important that we not just look at the numbers. it is easy to look at the unemployment rate and say it is your.1, every tenth means many people are represented there so it's very important to try to keep in mind the reality of unemployment, foreclosure, week wage growth, we always try to do that. and i want to -- alway
when it comes to actually going over the fiscal cliff if folks in washington can't get their act together? >> i come from a part of south carolina which has been economically challenged for a long time and remains so. certain parts of south carolina have developed pretty strongly, but the part where i come from, mostly agricultural, a little manufacturing have high unemployment rate, high foreclosure rate and people are having a hard time. i visited very few times since i became chairman....
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cliff? it comes down to tax rates. this is a huge sticking point in the stalled negotiations between the president and mr. boehner. obama says the top rate on household income above $250,000 should rise from 35% to 39.6%. boehner wants the rate to stay at 35% or even lower. but what about meeting in the middle? around 37%? listen carefully to the speaker when he was asked today whether that rate could be the answer to this impasse. >> there are a lot of things that are possible. to put the revenue the president seeks on the table. but none of it's going to be possible if the president insists on his position. insists on my way or the highway. >> you hear what he said. a lot of things are possible. that may not sound like much where you're from, but here in washington, it sounds suspiciously like code for, we're making progress. more evidence boehner's democratic counterpart house minority leader nancy pelosi also seems to be softening her language as we head into the weekend. listen. >> what
cliff? it comes down to tax rates. this is a huge sticking point in the stalled negotiations between the president and mr. boehner. obama says the top rate on household income above $250,000 should rise from 35% to 39.6%. boehner wants the rate to stay at 35% or even lower. but what about meeting in the middle? around 37%? listen carefully to the speaker when he was asked today whether that rate could be the answer to this impasse. >> there are a lot of things that are possible. to put...
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. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> "outfront" next, just 25 days until the fiscal cliff and a new idea is born. it comes from an unexpected source. howard dean, does the former vermont's governor's plan add up? plus, a sailor charged with espionage and the war on drugs. we lost it. sir richard branson is "outfront." let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, a bright idea. brought to us by the liberal former governor of vermont, howard dean. a man who brought us the scream heard around the world when reran for president. dean says let's face it, america, tacks need to go up for everyone. now, this might not be what you expect from someone like howard dean. it's certainly not the president's position or the position of most americans. another new poll out today shows that most people like the president's idea of only raising taxes on other people. specifically, the top 2%. the problem is according to the congressional research service, the math doesn't add up. that tax hike would only give $678 billion in additional revenue over ten yea
. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> "outfront" next, just 25 days until the fiscal cliff and a new idea is born. it comes from an unexpected source. howard dean, does the former vermont's governor's plan add up? plus, a sailor charged with espionage and the war on drugs. we lost it. sir richard branson is "outfront." let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, a bright idea. brought to us by the...
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will the looming fiscal cliff cast a cloud or not? a new report from pricewaterhouse cooper. >>> recap of the headline, timothy geithner draws a line in the sand. tells cnbc the white house is prepared to go over the fiscal cliff if p republicans don't give in on higher taxes on the wealthy. no change seen at the ecb. draghi expected to hold off on rates and bond purchases. central bank may cut its forecasts for 2013. european stocks in the green in early trade. cheering the new aerospace ownership structure. >> yesterday dow with triple digit gains, nasdaq negative move. rate now about 24 1/2 points above fair value for the dow. s&p 500 four points above fair value. and we're, what, two and a quarter points above fair value for the s&p 500. ftse 100 up third of a percent. xetra dax up a 52 week high at the moment. 87 points higher. and the cac 40 up 0.6%. it's worth pointing out nearly 26% is the gains this year for the german market. we did tease you with the bonds. spanish 5.1%, slightly lower today. didn't quite raise the maximum
will the looming fiscal cliff cast a cloud or not? a new report from pricewaterhouse cooper. >>> recap of the headline, timothy geithner draws a line in the sand. tells cnbc the white house is prepared to go over the fiscal cliff if p republicans don't give in on higher taxes on the wealthy. no change seen at the ecb. draghi expected to hold off on rates and bond purchases. central bank may cut its forecasts for 2013. european stocks in the green in early trade. cheering the new...
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when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was speaker boehner's downbeat assessment of fiscal negotiations. he went on putting blame squarely on the president. let's listen. >> this president has adopted of a deliberate strategy to slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. it's time for the president, if he's serious, to come back to us with a counteroffer. >> shortly after house ni mort leader nancy pelosi put the plame back on republicans. let's listen. >> the only obstacle standing in the way of middle income tax relief are the republicans unwillingness to ask the top 2% to pay their fair share. this is a moment of truth. the clock is ticking. christmas is coming, the goose is getting fat, but in many homes across america it's very -- a very, very lean time. >> and today's jobs report showing 146,000 jobs added in november and unemployment dipping to 7.7% may give the president some leverage in negotiations with boehner. but while the president
when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was speaker boehner's downbeat assessment of fiscal negotiations. he went on putting blame squarely on the president. let's listen. >> this president has adopted of a deliberate strategy to slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. it's time for the president, if he's serious, to come back to...
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coming up, more fiscal cliff talks between the two most powerful men in washington right now. >>> plus, he was supposed to be parking an nfl star's car, but he made a bit of a detour. this is like ferris buehler's day off. amazing story. ♪ [ male announcer ] the way it moves. the way it cleans. everything about the oral-b power brush is simply revolutionary. oral-b power brushes oscillate, rotate and even pulsate to gently loosen and break up that sticky plaque with more brush movements than manual brushes and even up to 50% more than leading sonic technology brushes for a superior clean. oral-b power brushes. go to oralb.com for the latest offers. oral-b power brushes. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. i just finished a bowl of your new light chicken t pie soup and it's so rich and creamy... is it re
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coming up we'll, find out from key lawmakers in the fiscal cliff negotiations how we can actually get a deal done before the deadline. representative chris van hollen, lynn jenkins and javier becerra as well as sore orrin hatch with us. we'll hear from former treasury secretary altman and jeff greenfield. bill? >> stocks are trading off the highs of the day with less than an hour to go. final hour, really from the get-go. optimism about the cliff talks and senator harry reid made some comments this afternoon that put a damper on that real. we've lost about 30 points. in that time. up 74 on the dow at 13,244. the nasdaq is doing well today, up 32 points. more than a 1% gain, although it is off its highs of the day at 3019, and the s&p 500 index is 8 plus points at 1426. the word on the street is because of the fiscal cliff, some investors are actually selling the winners, the winning stocks, and they are holding on to the poor performers, the opposite what have they have been doing the last few years. maria? >> makes a lot of sense given the fact that tax les go higher on capital gains
coming up we'll, find out from key lawmakers in the fiscal cliff negotiations how we can actually get a deal done before the deadline. representative chris van hollen, lynn jenkins and javier becerra as well as sore orrin hatch with us. we'll hear from former treasury secretary altman and jeff greenfield. bill? >> stocks are trading off the highs of the day with less than an hour to go. final hour, really from the get-go. optimism about the cliff talks and senator harry reid made some...
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we will check in with our media mass segment and then katie left and right and the fiscal cliff negotiations and seemingly abandoning every conservative principal. now he's targeting those who dare to stan up to his actions. and why were congressmen huelskamp and amash abruptly rue moved from their posts? they are here tonight and they will explain coming up. [ chuckles ] right, baby. oh, sir. that is a customer. oh...sorry about that. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. fedex office. marie callender's turkey breast with stuffing is a great reason to slow down. creamy mash potatoes, homestyle gravy and 320 calories. marie callender's. it's time to savor. [ male announcer ] it started long ago. the joy of giving something everything you've got. it takes passion. and it's not letting up anytime soon. at unitedhealthcare insurance company, we understand that commitment. and always have. so does aarp, an organization serving the needs of americans 50 and over for generations. so it's no surprise millions have chosen an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealt
we will check in with our media mass segment and then katie left and right and the fiscal cliff negotiations and seemingly abandoning every conservative principal. now he's targeting those who dare to stan up to his actions. and why were congressmen huelskamp and amash abruptly rue moved from their posts? they are here tonight and they will explain coming up. [ chuckles ] right, baby. oh, sir. that is a customer. oh...sorry about that. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. fedex...
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not they're going to come close to coming to some sort of agreement on the fiscal cliff. we can't increase spending. we are trying to rein it in and i am not that worried. there are distributional effects. lot of the lower end retailers, dollars or, drug stores have been big beneficiaries on extended unemployment benefits and their business will likely slow. cheryl: let me ask you something. you brought up the issue of the amount of retail dobbs but those are low-wage jobs. i assume the market does not want to see that. nice to see jobs added but not the right type of jobs. >> that is right. 50% of the jobs that were part of today's report of the low-income variety jobs. hospitality, leisure, retail, temporary jobs. we don't want to see that on wall street. we want to see the high-wage jobs because those are the jobs that will sustain a growing economy. they will be able to buy big-ticket items such as cars, a house, durable-goods. that is what you need to really grow this economy and right now we haven't heard any strategy of washington. all we're hearing about are extra
not they're going to come close to coming to some sort of agreement on the fiscal cliff. we can't increase spending. we are trying to rein it in and i am not that worried. there are distributional effects. lot of the lower end retailers, dollars or, drug stores have been big beneficiaries on extended unemployment benefits and their business will likely slow. cheryl: let me ask you something. you brought up the issue of the amount of retail dobbs but those are low-wage jobs. i assume the market...
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avoiding the fiscal cliff is coming down to taxes. president obama told bloomberg tv yesterday he is willing to be flexible, but there will be no deal unless republicans agree to raise income tax rates on the top 2% of wage earners in america. this week the gop offered a proposal that continues tax breaks for everyone while making cuts to medicare and social security. the president and democrats say the lack of a tax hike on the wealthy is leaving budget talks at an impasse. "60% of americans support asking millionaires to pay slightly more. many republicans feel the same way. the only ones who feel differently are the ones who work in this building. we can't let these negotiations be dictated by the tea party." "we've wasted an enormous amount of time here sparring back and forth in public, and it strikes me it's a good time to get serious about the proposals. traders are keying off market moves for clues about the economy. scott bauer of trading advantage joins us now. scott, what is the gold market telling traders about the prosepe
avoiding the fiscal cliff is coming down to taxes. president obama told bloomberg tv yesterday he is willing to be flexible, but there will be no deal unless republicans agree to raise income tax rates on the top 2% of wage earners in america. this week the gop offered a proposal that continues tax breaks for everyone while making cuts to medicare and social security. the president and democrats say the lack of a tax hike on the wealthy is leaving budget talks at an impasse. "60% of...
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and if they can come to a deal, then i think we can avoid the fiscal cliff. >> and do you think that -- somebody put this idea out here. and this idea is really vile. i'll use the right word. i think you'll agree. here's the idea. let's go off the cliff, just for purely political reasons, nothing happens immediately, and then, you know, you all come back in session in early january, and you give the middle class a tax cut, and you give the wealthy a tax cut, they'll pay more than they're paying now but less than 39.6.% is that possibly what both sides are angling to? >> you use the word vile and i'll echo that word. i think going over the cliff is a disaster. i think social leaders negotiate the best deal they possibly can, and let's try and get this done. i would not be for playing a game of chicken, if you will, or trying to fool the american people who are pretty dadgum smart when it comes to these sorts of things. >> do you fear the right wing of your own party, a wing that says any revenue, as you heard jim demint say, no revenue, not part of the deal. do you think that's going
and if they can come to a deal, then i think we can avoid the fiscal cliff. >> and do you think that -- somebody put this idea out here. and this idea is really vile. i'll use the right word. i think you'll agree. here's the idea. let's go off the cliff, just for purely political reasons, nothing happens immediately, and then, you know, you all come back in session in early january, and you give the middle class a tax cut, and you give the wealthy a tax cut, they'll pay more than they're...
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still to come, democrats and republicans continue their fight for the upper hand on the fiscal cliff. house speaker john boehner's facing something of a revolt within gop's ranks over his budget plan. we'll have the latest from washington when we come back. >>> talks between the white house and republicans over the fiscal cliff have ran to something of a holt. john boehner dealing with division in the gop's ranks to his bung budget plan. another shanghai surprise. china's mainland market surge nearly 3%. more austerity. plus, austerity measures are hitting european consumers. retail sales in october fall much more than expected. september also revised sharply to the downside. >>> it was a flat day really for european stocks, slightly negative for u.s. stocks yesterday. we are a little bit higher. the dow is currently some 43 points above fair value. the nasdaq is around four points above fair value. the s&p 500 at the moment is around about four points above fair value. european stocks are up half a percent earlier. we have come off those highs. eurozone pmis a little bit better than
still to come, democrats and republicans continue their fight for the upper hand on the fiscal cliff. house speaker john boehner's facing something of a revolt within gop's ranks over his budget plan. we'll have the latest from washington when we come back. >>> talks between the white house and republicans over the fiscal cliff have ran to something of a holt. john boehner dealing with division in the gop's ranks to his bung budget plan. another shanghai surprise. china's mainland...
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does it help one side more than the other in the negotiations over the fiscal cliff. >> they will both have talking points. the president will come out and say, look we're recovering and making our progress and therefore the economy is okay to have these tax hikes levied on it and republicans will say it is too weak to play guinea pig with the economy and you shouldn't be making this experimentation, the job numbers are not strong and politics aside, presidents with a second term their most lasting legacy is their stewardship of the economy and it is astonishing, given how weak the economy is, you can got out and impose new taxes, whatever will come, in he's wrong and it has an effect it will be hard for us to dig out of that in the end. >> chris: juan, 23 days, and counting, now, until we go over the cliff. do you see -- and you heard senators corker and schumer, any sign aw sign we are getting closer to a deal. and it does seem like republicans are caving on the top tax rates. >> you were listening carefully. that is exactly right. that is the sign. i mean, republicans don't have lev
does it help one side more than the other in the negotiations over the fiscal cliff. >> they will both have talking points. the president will come out and say, look we're recovering and making our progress and therefore the economy is okay to have these tax hikes levied on it and republicans will say it is too weak to play guinea pig with the economy and you shouldn't be making this experimentation, the job numbers are not strong and politics aside, presidents with a second term their...
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. >> but if the end of the world is coming, we could stop talking about the fiscal cliff. that might be a relief. >> that would be the big -- >> right. it would happen before the -- >> yeah. >> right. that's first. >> okay. >>> all right. thank you. i love our weather guys. >> they're chatty. can play ball. >> a bunch that we've been breaking in. >> you throw the ball, they throw it back. >> when you go to the local cutins, no one says anything. they've got to boom, boom. >>> opec leaders meeting in vienna today. steve sedgwick -- steve sedgwick with more. steve? >> reporter: hey, just head the prompt. it's me in vienna. it does feel like winter, minus three here. but i can tell you that opec should be happy. it is producing nearly 31 million barrels a day. it's got brent over $108 a barrel. brent will be over $110 a barrel on average for 2012. for the first time ever. olympic making a trillion dollars in -- opec is making a trill dollars trillion dollars in oil. they're worry good oversupply going into 2013. they are concerned that the call on their oil is going to be les
. >> but if the end of the world is coming, we could stop talking about the fiscal cliff. that might be a relief. >> that would be the big -- >> right. it would happen before the -- >> yeah. >> right. that's first. >> okay. >>> all right. thank you. i love our weather guys. >> they're chatty. can play ball. >> a bunch that we've been breaking in. >> you throw the ball, they throw it back. >> when you go to the local cutins, no...
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not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve the rates going up on the top 2%. >> "the new york times" reports that senior republican leadership aides are contemplating a fall-back position on a fiscal deal. they could foresee taking up and passing legislation this month to extend the tax cuts for the middle class and then resume the bitter fight over spending and taxes as the nation approaches the next hard deadline. it's statutory borrowingç limi which could be reached in late january or february. speaking to a business roundtable, president obama responded to that idea this way. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again, as part of a budget negotiation, which by the way we have never done in our history until we did this it last year, i will not play that game. >> john boehner and house republican leadership met with small business owners today to
not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve the rates going up on the top 2%. >> "the new york times" reports that senior republican leadership aides are contemplating a fall-back position on a fiscal deal. they could foresee taking up and passing legislation this month to extend the tax cuts for the middle class and then resume the bitter fight over spending...
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it's coming under pressure as part of a broader fiscal cliff deal. there's an article on the front page of today's "wall street journal" that highlights other ways people are trying to take advantage of the certainty over the final few weeks of 2012. some of the examples they cite are people said to be accelerating large medical expenses for this year and selling appreciated stock in some cases even prepaying their mortgages so they can make sure they get the mortgage interest deduction. and, bob, you think -- for a lot of people that won't matter? >> you have the amt. so if you take excessive deductions, they just disappear. which is one of the things about all of this about limiting these deductions which is kind of silly because the amt does it in the aggregate. and of course the amt is grabbing more and more people and it's one of the things they want to reform, but if they reform it, they have to raise taxes someplace else. so it's confusing. >> but that's the worst part of it, a simpler tax code that someone could actually understand and now ho
it's coming under pressure as part of a broader fiscal cliff deal. there's an article on the front page of today's "wall street journal" that highlights other ways people are trying to take advantage of the certainty over the final few weeks of 2012. some of the examples they cite are people said to be accelerating large medical expenses for this year and selling appreciated stock in some cases even prepaying their mortgages so they can make sure they get the mortgage interest...
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what does he think about republicans negotiating for president obama on the fiscal cliff? like a lot of other things for alan west, it all comes down to socialism. here is what he told radio host mark levin. >> i think this whole thing about having negotiations with president obama is silly. president obama is marxist, socialist, rigid ideologue, and for whatever reason he believes he has some self-conceived mandate to go out and further destroy and ruin our economy. >> so if you have any lingering nostalgia for the clown show, that should kill it. west still thinks, by the way, his opponent patrick murphy somehow cheated in order to win the race. >> the most important thing everyone has to understand is that my voice is not going to be lost. we will -- we've gotten a lot of opportunities, a lot of offers, and we're going to make sure that we continue to have that platform. i'm not going away just because of a congressional race where he had to to cheat to beet me. >> west campaign's spent about $18 million in his bid for re-election, more than four times what his opponent
what does he think about republicans negotiating for president obama on the fiscal cliff? like a lot of other things for alan west, it all comes down to socialism. here is what he told radio host mark levin. >> i think this whole thing about having negotiations with president obama is silly. president obama is marxist, socialist, rigid ideologue, and for whatever reason he believes he has some self-conceived mandate to go out and further destroy and ruin our economy. >> so if you...
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we've been so focused on the fiscal cliff, we haven't thought about the jobs number coming out tomorrow. what do you expect? >> i expect it to be nothing that's going to
we've been so focused on the fiscal cliff, we haven't thought about the jobs number coming out tomorrow. what do you expect? >> i expect it to be nothing that's going to
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. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff, this threatening of our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow walk or economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. >> we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> so here's my sense, congressman mccarthy. why in the minds of republicans aren't they processing it this way? look, president, we'll give you what you want on rates. let them go up. but we have to get something in return. big cuts in the medicare program, and we're willing to make a deal is. that essentially the thinking of speaker boehner at this point? >> the president wants the rates to go up, that doesn't solve the problem and we don't want to be back here in another year or 10 years answering the same question. but right after the election, we sent a plan to the president where we gave revenues but looking for spending cuts. and he took three weeks to come back to us. he has gone on still on the campaign trail, still work
. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff, this threatening of our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow walk or economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. >> we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> so here's my sense, congressman mccarthy. why in the minds of republicans aren't they processing it this way?...
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but there is this, if no deal is struck, and the fiscal cliff comes, then $600 billion in automatic tax increases and spending cuts will kick in. that could affect a lot of programs in this room. that, wolf, is going to lead a lot of voters, democrat and republican, unhappy. >> tom foreman. dramatic way of explaining what's going on. love that virtual studio he's got over there. thank you. >>> new clues potentially uncovered in a deadly decades old mystery haunting a reform school. you'll find out what researchers think they have found. that's next. i put away money. i was 21, so i said, "hmm, i want to retire at 55." and before you know it, i'm 58 years old. time went by very fast. it goes by too, too fast. ♪ but i would do it again in a heartbeat. [ laughs ] ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] with a select terrain dial that adjusts the jeep grand cherokee's performance for specific weather and road conditions... ♪ ...even heavy snowstorms... won't keep you from getting to work. our apologies. ♪ >>> researchers may have unkfred shocking new evidence of a mass grave at a now closed florid
but there is this, if no deal is struck, and the fiscal cliff comes, then $600 billion in automatic tax increases and spending cuts will kick in. that could affect a lot of programs in this room. that, wolf, is going to lead a lot of voters, democrat and republican, unhappy. >> tom foreman. dramatic way of explaining what's going on. love that virtual studio he's got over there. thank you. >>> new clues potentially uncovered in a deadly decades old mystery haunting a reform...
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forget the fiscal cliff stuff. what we know is coming, already will be a hock to the system. you lay that are with even more draconian tax hikes, more regulations and this war on business that i've been seeing, it's not going to be that great. >> you register surprise like i go when the 7.7% number came in. but we've got to find out, did the labor force shrink? that's the key to understanding the rate -- >> lot of economic data, the headlines look good. when you dig, it's been disappointing. >> let me conclude, that we have it, 7.7%, the unemployment rate in november. 146,000 jobs created. that's it for this fox business special report. we'll continue the coverage throughout the day. now back to our regular programming. >> steve: all right. thank you very much. it's interesting what peter barns said from washington and that was that in the two months running up to the election, now there apparently have been revisions for september and october. 50,000 fewer jobs were created than reported by the federal government. that's curious. >> brian: now to your headlines. they're accu
forget the fiscal cliff stuff. what we know is coming, already will be a hock to the system. you lay that are with even more draconian tax hikes, more regulations and this war on business that i've been seeing, it's not going to be that great. >> you register surprise like i go when the 7.7% number came in. but we've got to find out, did the labor force shrink? that's the key to understanding the rate -- >> lot of economic data, the headlines look good. when you dig, it's been...
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that's coming up in just a few minutes. i think we have all of the fiscal cliff to death. fiscal could fatigue. fed up with tooling politicians. the holidays are upon us. so i am going to pass judgment on something entirely different. i'm going off the financial reservation. here is my take on tattoos. i hate them. i am contentious of them. they don't decorate the human body, the pilot. those judges should jump on the bandwagon are at best misguided. do you really think the 20 years from now you will still love sally heard johnnie? because that name is still buying to be on your arm or your back or ross you decide but it. i remember being in a whole food store. she was 20 at most. she was wearing a look at top from 20 yards away you could read the tattoo that spread all across her chest. it read begin. huge global letters. it will never go away. whether or not she ever it's a stake or eight again. why mark yourself alive tonight why put an ugly blotch understand? by the way, over time most tattoos eventually start to look like a bruise. for some reason the urge to markers
that's coming up in just a few minutes. i think we have all of the fiscal cliff to death. fiscal could fatigue. fed up with tooling politicians. the holidays are upon us. so i am going to pass judgment on something entirely different. i'm going off the financial reservation. here is my take on tattoos. i hate them. i am contentious of them. they don't decorate the human body, the pilot. those judges should jump on the bandwagon are at best misguided. do you really think the 20 years from now...
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if republicans do not agree, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. >> there's no agreement that doesn't involve the rates going up on the top wealthy 2%. >> republicans clinging to what little leverage they have to maximize cuts zeroed in on the debt ceiling hoping for a repeat of the 2011 showdown where house republicans were able to extract $2 trillion in cuts. $1 trillion cut from domestic programs in ten years and $1.2 trillion in cuts through a sequester. wednesday, president obama seemed to set another red line, a business round table who warned against the repeat of last year's debacle. >> i want to send a clear message. we are not going to play the game next year. if congress suggests they are going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default, once again, as part of a budget negotiation, which by the way, we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. because we have to break that habit before it starts. >> so, "the washington post" made a point friday s
if republicans do not agree, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. >> there's no agreement that doesn't involve the rates going up on the top wealthy 2%. >> republicans clinging to what little leverage they have to maximize cuts zeroed in on the debt ceiling hoping for a repeat of the 2011 showdown where house republicans were able to extract $2 trillion in cuts. $1 trillion cut from domestic programs in ten years and $1.2 trillion in cuts...
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investors waiting to see what comes out of the fiscal cliff negotiations and in europe, a choppy start to the trading day. investors are waiting for the results of greece's bond buyback program occurs. joe has some of the big corporate news and this one is actually a global corporate story. >> hsbc. we're talking about paying $1.9 billion in the money lawnering lapses. a brirchb lender admitting to a breakdown of controls, in a statement announcing a deferred payment. yesterday standard chartered agreed to pay $27 million agreeing that it violates sanctions against iran and two other international companies. >> if you're an international bank and you prael without getting into this kind of trouble? >> no. >> can you actually operate without money laundering? >> i'm just saying, if you're going to be in business in all these types of markets, isn't this going to happen? >> aren't there sxwier countries that would be probably -- that it would stead if you don't want any business tale. >> was there a fascination in this country about whether you want to indict the whole institution or wha
investors waiting to see what comes out of the fiscal cliff negotiations and in europe, a choppy start to the trading day. investors are waiting for the results of greece's bond buyback program occurs. joe has some of the big corporate news and this one is actually a global corporate story. >> hsbc. we're talking about paying $1.9 billion in the money lawnering lapses. a brirchb lender admitting to a breakdown of controls, in a statement announcing a deferred payment. yesterday standard...
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so you -- you think -- so now we're back to the fiscal cliff. you think there is no deal coming? or you think we're getting a baby deal? >> i think you're getting a baby deal. and i think without structural. true structural reform i don't think you're going to have the types of risk taking on the part of businesses that would generate real growth. and i think there is a yawning gap between business confidence and consumer confidence right now. capital spending is already weakened. but consumer confidence still remains relatively high. >> when does it hit the consumer? >> i think really in the first quarter. because especially if the payroll tax cut is not extended, which it seems very possible, that is a very big deal. i also think you really have to watch to see whether the debt ceiling is actually extended. and if the debt ceiling is not extended as part of this deal, that's also a very, very negative development, because it means we're going to have another couple of months of wrangling. >> jason. thank you for your -- >> thank you. >> sorry to push you on this. >> not a probl
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when it comes to the looming fiscal cliff crisis, that's a good sign. in 21 days, we go off the cliff and that means drastic tax hikes and spending cuts. congress scheduled to break for the holidays on friday. two sides talking behind the scenes and for a change, all of the posturing and finger pointing has died down, at least for now. shannon travis joins us live. what are you hearing, if anything? >> we're hearing that as you just mentioned, that they are talking, but that's all we're hearing, that's a good sign, that they are talking at this point. i'll read a statement from john boehner's president secretary. "discussions with the white house are taking place, but we have no detail to share about the substance of those conversations. the republican offer made last week remains the republican offer, and we continue to wait for the president to identify the spending cuts he's willing to make as part of the balanced approach he promised the american people." again, from house speaker john boehner's office. the president on the other hand took to michig
when it comes to the looming fiscal cliff crisis, that's a good sign. in 21 days, we go off the cliff and that means drastic tax hikes and spending cuts. congress scheduled to break for the holidays on friday. two sides talking behind the scenes and for a change, all of the posturing and finger pointing has died down, at least for now. shannon travis joins us live. what are you hearing, if anything? >> we're hearing that as you just mentioned, that they are talking, but that's all we're...
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is economic problems does this tax debate or even as fiscal cliff debate begin to scratch the surface of the crisis. former republican strategist author and historian kevin phillips is here with lessons we can learn from seventeen seventy five the subject of his latest book that many a politician may benefit from actually reading. from a long time and bald churchy i don't do it anymore of those boys much they do not read his words will. they go and the as these the is reportedly investigating going to be providing twelve billion dollars in derivatives trading losses in two thousand and eight yeah yeah there's a list of alleged bad bank behavior how is good capitalism though being driven out by bad capitalism all will break it down and word of the day plus alan greenspan says a painless solution to the u.s. debt is a fantasy finally something we can agree on more in loose change let's get to today's capital account. our guest kevin phillips made a name for himself in the late one nine hundred sixty s. as a g.o.p. operative who coined the phrase and wrote the book the emerging republica
is economic problems does this tax debate or even as fiscal cliff debate begin to scratch the surface of the crisis. former republican strategist author and historian kevin phillips is here with lessons we can learn from seventeen seventy five the subject of his latest book that many a politician may benefit from actually reading. from a long time and bald churchy i don't do it anymore of those boys much they do not read his words will. they go and the as these the is reportedly investigating...
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and the fiscal cliff. james cheeks says he is counting on congress to prevent his taxes from going up. >> scary. you know, it's scary. where is that money going to come from, you know, how am i going to pay that extra tax hike. >> reporter: one booth over, ted and gus say they don't think congress can avoid the cliff. >> i hope so, but i don't see it yet. >> if we're going to have standoffs, have that do nothing congress, it is going to be awfully toug to get anything done. >> reporter: potential effects of the fiscal cliff in rock island, illinois aren't necessarily any better or worse than in other cities around the country. the bottom line is if congress fails to act, repercussions will be felt across the country. wolf? >> ted rowlands in rock island, illinois. >>> imagine being able to use your ipad, cell phone in the air whenever you want. up next, we have details on a new government effort under way now to keep you plugged in all the time, including on takeoff and landing, while flying. stand by. ♪
and the fiscal cliff. james cheeks says he is counting on congress to prevent his taxes from going up. >> scary. you know, it's scary. where is that money going to come from, you know, how am i going to pay that extra tax hike. >> reporter: one booth over, ted and gus say they don't think congress can avoid the cliff. >> i hope so, but i don't see it yet. >> if we're going to have standoffs, have that do nothing congress, it is going to be awfully toug to get anything...
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it's called the fiscal cliff and we are flat out sick of it. the "wall street journal"'s dan henninger is coming up on this program 10:35. he says get it over with. republicans should give a little now but then make a fight of it later. is he right? here he comes. he's on his way. the debate about unions has focused on money, pay scales, union dues, but i think the crisis in the union movement goes oh so much deeper. here's my take on attitude. an us versus them approach does not work in the modern world. but that is the mentality of the unions today. what i picked up is hostility, a stick it to them way of thinking. this is one reason why so much of our manufacturing industry has gone overseas, us and them. hopeless. in so many industries, the union contract with its rigid workplace rules, we only do this and you only do that, that stifles creativity and efficiency. see what happened to the twinkie? some teamster delivery trucks were not allowed to carry some of the hostess products, so they had to send two trucks, good-bye twinkie. you listen
it's called the fiscal cliff and we are flat out sick of it. the "wall street journal"'s dan henninger is coming up on this program 10:35. he says get it over with. republicans should give a little now but then make a fight of it later. is he right? here he comes. he's on his way. the debate about unions has focused on money, pay scales, union dues, but i think the crisis in the union movement goes oh so much deeper. here's my take on attitude. an us versus them approach does not work...
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cliff is coming to town. ma merry cliff-mas. jim? >> the president is asking for $1.6 trillion. >> entitlement reform. >> discretionary spending. [ applause [ applause ] >> i'm back. what happened? >> they are still trying to reach a resolution in the fiscal cliff talks. it's getting a little heated between president obama and speaker boehner. take a look at what they've been saying to each other. yesterday obama said, quote, if we can get some leadership on the republican side, we can probably solve this in about a week. it's not that tough. boehner then responded saying, quote, i've sent the president our proposal. if he doesn't like our plan, he should come back with a plan of his own. obama responded to that saying, maybe i will. to which boehner replied, maybe i will. and mr. obama replied, stop copying me. so which boehner replied, stop copying me. >> to which obama replied dam infinity. you win for now boehner. >> according to a new poll that just came out, most americans think santa claus is a democra
cliff is coming to town. ma merry cliff-mas. jim? >> the president is asking for $1.6 trillion. >> entitlement reform. >> discretionary spending. [ applause [ applause ] >> i'm back. what happened? >> they are still trying to reach a resolution in the fiscal cliff talks. it's getting a little heated between president obama and speaker boehner. take a look at what they've been saying to each other. yesterday obama said, quote, if we can get some leadership on the...
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the fiscal cliff talks not going anywhere yet. during the next two weeks we will start to see some positive remarks. one thing that is very interesting, heat and oil settled in a very weak position. those two coming off could take the energy complex down much further. right now only 85 to 85.10. cheryl: we have plenty of supply out there right now. we are in the middle of winter. >> we have a tremendous amount of supply. we do not have much cold weather coming up near term. once the fiscal cliff starts getting resolved, you will see some buying going on. cheryl: bobby, i want to go back to you about europe. we have not had a lot of problees. seems like the greeks are kind to getting things. >> the last few days, europe markets have been pretty strong. as you said, a sleeping giant. cheryl: i do not want to see anything change. it has been nice. gentlemen, thank you. i appreciate it. great floor show today. uncertainty seems to be the norm in washington these days. last year you have the debt ceiling convey. congress had trouble pu
the fiscal cliff talks not going anywhere yet. during the next two weeks we will start to see some positive remarks. one thing that is very interesting, heat and oil settled in a very weak position. those two coming off could take the energy complex down much further. right now only 85 to 85.10. cheryl: we have plenty of supply out there right now. we are in the middle of winter. >> we have a tremendous amount of supply. we do not have much cold weather coming up near term. once the...
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can you fix the fiscal cliff and send the economy downward. >> the fiscal cliff, isn't it having real impact in the economy now? >> it's having real impact and name pact will growth longer we take to come to a deal, some deal, any deal. what everybody wants, individuals who are going to be paid in january, they don't know how much and businesses, so what's the deal? what are -- what do we have to plan on? >> the best down payment would be to continue tax rates at the middle class for the rates they are, the best down payment. that's the best easy first step and i hope congress will realize take a step and take it now and give the president something he can sign. >> that has to be the last word. thanks, guys. >>> from the downward slope of the cliff to the upward climb on jobs, a big surprise in the november jobs numbers. it's a step in the right direction, but ali velshi will join me with a look at why we need to do much more. americans believe they should be in charge of their own future. how they'll live tomorrow. for more than 116 years, ameriprise financial has worked for their cl
can you fix the fiscal cliff and send the economy downward. >> the fiscal cliff, isn't it having real impact in the economy now? >> it's having real impact and name pact will growth longer we take to come to a deal, some deal, any deal. what everybody wants, individuals who are going to be paid in january, they don't know how much and businesses, so what's the deal? what are -- what do we have to plan on? >> the best down payment would be to continue tax rates at the middle...